Do you spend a lot of time researching “quack” science out there? And I think it’s important to differentiate proven treatments versus unproven treatments. You say that in modern medicine, there really isn’t a place for naturopathy. Is that because of the science versus non-science-based practice of it? Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, as you just saw, at the end of four years in medical school, you’re not prepared to practice medicine. That only prepares you to go into your internship, residency, maybe a fellowship. At the end of four years of naturopathic school, you go into practice. And not only that, the standards in those four years of training are completely different. Naturopaths spend a lot of their time learning about things like homeopathy, which is 100% pure pseudoscience. They just aren’t learning the science at the level that they need. And that does not leave them prepared to know, for example, that curcumin, based upon systematic reviews of clinical trials, doesn’t work for anything. It has not been shown to work for anything. But if you look at the basic science gullibly, and you don’t know how to interpret it, you may think it’s good for everything. So, naturopaths will prescribe things like curcumin for things that it is not effective for ’cause they don’t understand how to translate that science into practice. How do you feel about, I was looking at how much these standards vary from state-to-state. Could you comment on that, in terms of the way, state-to-state, naturopathic practitioners are licensed? Yeah, so it’s all, it is all state-by-state. There are a number of states which do license naturopaths. And then, once they do, they completely regulate themselves. So, if they don’t have a culture of science and evidence, it doesn’t matter that they have a license, that there are– they take exams, or that they have a board that– ’cause they’re just reviewing themselves. And then there is also different scopes of practice. So, in some states, naturopaths, once they become licensed, they tend to be quite relentless at trying to expand their scope of practice to prescribe drugs, increasingly controlled substances, to be primary care doctors. And they’re just not prepared to do any of these things. Is there a standard regulation, in terms of the pharmacology training required to prescribe medications? Yes, there is. There is, you have to take certain pharmacology classes and you have to pass your NPLEX Clinical Pharmacology Board. So, there is. And is that a national board? Yes, that’s a national board. It’s a national board licensure exam. So, one of the things that I was concerned about as I was preparing for this is, first and foremost, I, actually, have a lot of respect for you, Peggy, in terms of your stance on this. And the importance of education. And I know many medical doctors out there that I wouldn’t trust to go get care with, just being honest, but having said that, I did some research last night to look into the standards of even getting into certain schools that are naturopathic medical schools and I had some major concerns. You know, one is saying, well, you need at least a 2.5 GPA, you need to at least get 60% on average in your science classes. I always get a little bit concerned when the standard drops so dramatically. If there is a place, side by side with medical doctors and naturopathic doctors, I think there needs to be, not only higher standards across the board, because it’s just, quite frankly, not that hard to get into one of these medical schools that is a naturopathic school of medicine. And it is not that hard to get licensed. I’m curious if, within your own community, there is a push to increase these standards. There definitely is, and we do have to maintain CME, we have to do all of that sort of stuff as well. So, it’s not just, “Oh, here’s your license, bye. “Go have fun. “Fingers crossed it works out,” you know. There is, actually, working continually from all the organizations that I know of, and, granted, that’s not every single naturopathic organization out there, to get more, in terms of more education, more licensure, more standards.

15 thoughts on “Are ‘Natural’ Treatments Safe?”

  1. CURCUMIN NOT EFFECTIVE FOR ANYTHING??? Doc have you heard about Meta Analysis studies on pubmed? They tell a different story. Can't believe this is "Doctors" show.

  2. These past few years I have noticed that doctors and nurses have become lazy and irresponsible. You truly feel that they're there for the paycheck not because they care about patients anymore.
    People since the beginning have used nature's remedies and have worked. Problem is that we have so many lab made illnesses nowadays….

  3. ……and is Steve aware with all that white hair of his, is suffering from low Catalase levels not counter acting all the hydrogen peroxide he is naturally producing causing the snow white hair. Probably suffering from low copper levels too?

  4. I hate these drs who know it all. My daughter kept yelling doctors there was something wrong. Guess what. She was right. She was diagnosed with MS. Guess who diagnosed her. She did. Now she’s got more problems. Again doctors tell her they can’t find anything. Guess what. Her problems are again diagnosed by her as issues stemming from her MS. I HATE MOST DOCTORS.

  5. I translate it in a way that , what it works for you, maybe doesn't work for me!!, there is some illness natural medication can't deal!!, and some other work out ok😉

  6. Modern medicine is a negation of health. It isn’t organized to serve human health, but only itself, as an institution. It makes more people sick than it heals.

  7. There’s obviously something going on when all of these allopathic quacks post a video on their medicine, and then 100s of people comment on how bad their experience has been with it.

  8. So then, let's have a look shall we? At 0:51 he stated that Curcumin based upon systematic review in clinical trials shows that it does not work for anything. So which systematic review is he referring to? Well that would be this one:

    J Med Chem. 2017 Mar 9;60(5):1620-1637. doi: 10.1021/acs.jmedchem.6b00975. Epub 2017 Jan 11.

    The Essential Medicinal Chemistry of Curcumin.

    Here comes a problem where Steven Novella is scared to mention it. If people really read this review, you would notice that it is a low quality evidence and also very biased and misinterpreted. What Steven Novella the pseudoskeptic has failed to mention is that there is an article by a researcher which rightfully shows how the author/Steven Novella of this review had misrepresented the studies he cited against curcumin:

    ACS Med Chem Lett. 2017 Sep 14;8(9):893-896.

    A Realistic View on "The Essential Medicinal Chemistry of Curcumin".

    The review paper entitled “The Essential Medicinal Chemistry of Curcumin”, published in the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry, by Nelson et al.1 is a well-designed paper, presenting a new (and negative) approach to the well-known biologically active compound; curcumin. Although some arguments throughout this paper are completely true, the approach of the authors is unfortunately far from impartial, and many of the conclusions the authors draw from some of their referred papers are especially hard to accept.

    On page 1621, line 11, the authors mention that the in vivo stability of curcumin is T1/2 < 5 min and F < 1% by referring to the research papers of Wang et al.2 and Yang et al.3 (refs 27 and 28 of the original paper). Interestingly, neither Wang nor Yang et al. directly report these values as the half-life of curcumin, which makes this a very biased supposition of the authors. The paper, published by Wang et al., reports the stability of curcumin in buffer solvents at laboratory conditions and in rat blood circulation. Since it is impossible to directly dissolve curcumin in water, curcumin was dissolved in methanol and then diluted with a buffer, and the amount of curcumin was measured in HPLC at different intervals. It is obvious that curcumin will start precipitating upon dilution with a buffer. Thus, it is doubtful that the sample injected in HPLC or administered to rats includes the supposed amount of curcumin.

    Yang et al. also do not report the half-life of curcumin below 5 min. This paper reports the elimination period as 28.1 ± 5.6 and 44.5 ± 7.5 min for 500 mg/kg, p.o. and 10 mg/kg, i.v. of curcumin, respectively. It is noteworthy that the half-life results are reported by the studies made in rats, not human studies. A rat weighing 400 g has a total blood volume of approximately 25.6 mL,4 and the human blood volume is approximately 5.5 L. The half-life measurements of the compound during blood circulation were made without considering the insolubility of curcumin in buffer solutions or the stability measurements in rat blood circulation and therefore do not accurately illustrate the fate of curcumin upon circulation within human blood. More interestingly, the authors acknowledge that the half-life of curcumin with pH 7.4 and 37 °C in human blood is 360–480 min in Supplemental Table 2 of ref (1). However, they report its stability as T1/2 < 5 min on page 1621, left column line 11.

    Is the “Allure of the Golden Spice” Fake?

    On page 1623, left column, line 17, the authors refer to the paper published by Burgos-Morón et al. entitled “The Dark Side of Curcumin”5 (also ref 5 of the original paper). The authors did not take into consideration the article published by Kurien et al., which actually is a response paper to Morón et al.6 The paper criticizes Morón et al.’s article not only by referring to related research but also by conducting new investigations to refute their theory. So, we will not further discuss the ideas about “the dark side of curcumin”; however, since the authors have used this expression a lot throughout the paper, we would like to stress that the paper by Burgos-Morón et al. is not a research paper, but is just a Letter to the Editor5 and should not be referred to as a credible source.


    We agree that the most important issue associated with studies on curcumin is its solubility. However, Nelson et al. pessimistically attribute the research failures as inefficacy of curcumin. We would like to emphasize the importance of a logical approach of scientists studying natural products such as curcumin, which could be a very important adjunctive treatment agent for multiple diseases, especially cancer. Scientists must appreciate the genius designs coming from nature considering the lives that could be saved by using them.

    There are countless of studies available even clinical trials that Curcumin is actually very effective. Another thing that Steven Novella fails to mention is that if you combine turmeric which has curcumin in it with black pepper which contains piperine, the bioavailability is increased by 2000% according to multiple studies, this is where for example meta-analysis or systematic reviews cherry-picks specific studies (that are low quality) in order to attempt to discredit curcumin while ignoring clinical trials peered-reviewed showed tremendous of benefits. Here are couple of studies about piperine in black pepper with turmeric containing curcumin.

    Foods. 2017 Oct 22;6(10). pii: E92. doi: 10.3390/foods6100092.

    Curcumin: A Review of Its' Effects on Human Health.

    "For example, piperine is the major active component of black pepper and, when combined in a complex with curcumin, has been shown to increase bioavailability by 2000%. Curcumin combined with enhancing agents provides multiple health benefits. The purpose of this review is to provide a brief overview of the plethora of research regarding the health benefits of curcumin."

    "Curcumin has received worldwide attention for its multiple health benefits, which appear to act primarily through its anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory mechanisms. These benefits are best achieved when curcumin is combined with agents such as piperine, which increase its bioavailability significantly. Research suggests that curcumin can help in the management of oxidative and inflammatory conditions, metabolic syndrome, arthritis, anxiety, and hyperlipidemia. It may also help in the management of exercise-induced inflammation and muscle soreness, thus enhancing recovery and subsequent performance in active people. In addition, a relatively low dose can provide health benefits for people that do not have diagnosed health conditions."

    Planta Med. 1998 May;64(4):353-6.

    Influence of piperine on the pharmacokinetics of curcumin in animals and human volunteers.

    "Concomitant administration of piperine 20 mg produced much higher concentrations from 0.25 to 1 h post drug (P < 0.01 at 0.25 and 0.5 h; P < 0.001 at 1 h), the increase in bioavailability was 2000%. The study shows that in the dosages used, piperine enhances the serum concentration, extent of absorption and bioavailability of curcumin in both rats and humans with no adverse effects."

    All of them right here proves also exactly that Steven Novella is a pseudoskeptic just like his entire team called sciencebasedmedicine, nothing but a joke and anti-holistic, they are simply jealous that the Eastern medicine is far more better than the Western when it comes to chronic conditions.

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