We live in a time where rates of body dysmorphia,
eating disorders, fat-shaming, body-dissatisfaction and cosmetic surgery are skyrocketing and
billions of dollars are spent every year on weight loss and body modification practices
such as liposuction and stomach stapling, we absolutely need to bring about a society
where all bodies are valued regardless of size, shape or any other factor. The ultimate
goal of body positivity is to address unrealistic ideals about beauty and build self-esteem
and self-acceptance by reclaiming control over self-image. There is nothing wrong with the aims of body positivity and they’ve undoubtedly had positive effects such as increasing the
visibility of marginalised bodies and challenging social norms. But, in reality, the body positive
movement currently serves to reinforce dominant capitalist and patriarchal ideologies, objectify
women’s bodies, promote body modification practices and now excludes the very people
it was made by and for which further marginalises oppressed groups. supposed to represent.
To be clear, when I am criticising the movement, I’m not criticising the individuals who
partake in it, since most have been put in a bad position for so long and are simply
using the tools made available to them, and we need to get away from blaming individuals
for systemic problems. What I’m critiquing is the ways in which the current social structures
in our society co-opt social movements and make bodily acceptance almost impossible. The body positivity movement originated from
the fat acceptance movement, which began in the 1960s to battle anti-fat discrimination
and celebrate predominantly female, plus-sized bodies and in recognising beauty standards
as a racist, sexist, ageist, hereosexit, transphobic, fatphobic, ableist and classist social construct,
expanded the movement to also include other marginalised bodies. Body positivity was just
one tenet of fat acceptance, but as the movement reignited through the work of women of colour
posting images online, and became mainstream, it has now overtaken the radical roots of
the original movement. During this process body positivity has come to encompass any
person regardless of their size, which has led to the marginalisation of the very people
the movement was originally created ofr and by.
Even when ads use plus-sized models, models often wear padding to fit into larger clothes,
most of the plus-sized models are comparatively small for plus size, and have features and
proportions in all the hyper-sexualised places, that are deemed conventionally attractive
and have been historically and contemporarily celebrated. Most are white, young, able-bodied,
and cis. Often plus-sized models are presented to capitalise on the insecurities of being
overweight by selling a product that transforms fat bodies into more normatively beautiful
and acceptable shapes. So instead of reclaiming social narratives, body positivity is actively
reinforcing them. When body positivity represents a narrow, conventionally attractive range
of people, it just reinforces the idea that people outside those boundaries do not belong,
are unpleasant, are unattractive and are failures. When people who need the most body acceptance,
see themselves represented as tall, white, curvy models with flat stomaches, which doesn’t
depict the reality of what most plus-sized women look like, it can be even more alienating
for marginalised bodies. Because if you don’t even feel you fit into what is considered
a broader idea of beauty, it can be even more alienating. It pushes those on the margins
even further into the periphery. Perhaps even more problematically, a number of mainstream
retailers have jumped on the plus-size, body positive- fashion bandwagon, when many of
them don’t even sell plus-sized clothing, not seeing people with different bodies as
worthy of being their customers. When fat becomes fashionable, yet the fat bodies don’t
reap the benefits, it’s a form of appropriation. We’ve seen this happen so many times, where
the fashion industry commodifies the likeness, dress styles and traditions of marginalised
consumer groups to whom it doesn’t cater. For those of us with normative bodies, we may
harbour private stigmas and be discriminatory towards fat bodies, yet feel moral satisfaction
about ourselves for purchasing from woke brands or liking an image of a plus-sized model on Instagram.
It can make us feel really good, but relinquishes us from burden of having to do any work
to dismantle discrimination in society. It gives us the idea that fat stigma is no longer a problem in our society and pacifies us from actually doing any work
to actually challenge the problem. Some people argue that by focusing on only
fat bodies, it’s a form of reverse discrimination and it erases the difficult experiences of
people with other bodies. However, while societal pressures affect all people, as I’ll go
into more later, normative bodies don’t face the same systemic and structural discrimination
and suffering that fat or trans or disabled or black bodies do and so it’s integral that the
bodies facing the most structural discrimination are kept central in the conversation. People with normative bodies need to step back and acknowledge our privileges and recognise that in a movement created
for and by fat women it isn’t right for us to expect to see our experiences centred
and represented. It has nothing to do with body positivity not being intersectional enough,
it’s just about stopping us from derailing a conversation. And when people with normative bodies are focusing on the fact that there should be more conversation around thinness, we’re further preventing
conversations about the real intersections of bodily discrimination for other groups
also sitting at the margins of society, such as the bodily discrimination faced by people
with disabilities, the black, and trans communities. But the problem is, even if media
focused exclusively on the experiences of the most marginalised in society, patriarchal and capitalist social structures prevent real body acceptance. Beauty ideals have been used as a tool to
reproduce racism, ageism, transphobia, ableism and classism. But since the body positivity
movement was created for and by fat women I want to focus specifically on how the movement
attempts to challenge the sexist elements of beauty standards. In the 1950s the feminine ideal
depicted women in their homes as to emphasise their roles as housemakers and sell house-wear
products. However, as the feminist movement contributed to greater political, material
and reproductive freedom of women and liberated them from being relegated to the home, and
companies could no longer profit off of the domestic feminine ideal, the emphasis switched
more and more on the female body. We are constantly bombarded with images of beautiful,
eroticised, objectified women symbolising ideal femininity, manufacturing insecurities
and selling us the solutions. Men have power that is exterior to their bodies—their social
presence, whereas a woman’s power is intrinsic to her body, her physical presence, and how
she looks. This determines relations between men and women, and the relation of women to
themselves. Women are coerced into viewing themselves as displays, and tricked into treating
their bodies as an object for the consumption of men. Advertisers turn women into objects
of desire by men, and then in turn sell women the products to help them achieve desirability.
We learn that our bodies is our identity above all else, and that our primary value
in life comes from our appearance. Beauty is a currency system, and we learn that we
have a higher exchange value the closer we get to the idealised image. In order to achieve
greater value we are pressured to undergo constant self-surveillance and disciplinary
practices in pursuit of the ideal body. It’s a trap because it’s totally unachievable.
Even if you achieve the ideal today, within a few years the ideal would have changed.
And people love to argue that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there are
historical or biological justifications for the beauty standards. But this is simply not the case. In
many cultures plus sized women and stretch marks are seen as marks of beauty and achievement
for women, and thinness is considered unattractive. And there is no universal standard of beauty
Beauty standards have changed drastically throughout history. Others like to argue that
this is a choice women make. But, whenever we conform to external standards, gendered codes imposed on us, the conditions of genuine choice have not been met. Freedom of choice
within a patriarchal, capitalist society, is not real freedom or choice, it’s freedom
to be influenced through power and commodity culture. So things like losing weight and wearing makeup which may appear feminine, are not feminine at all but have been
actually historically, socially and culturally constructed to appear to belong to female
gender. The construction of the thin ideal allowed
for women’s bodies to be increasingly regulated and controlled. These beauty standards deplete
women physically: through diet regimes, surgery, eating disorders, financially: through money
spent maintaining beauty ideals, and psychologically: through fear of ageing, self-hatred, body-dissatisfaction.
Women are kept in this state of inferiority and submission because our economy benefits
from the underpayment of women, from the unpaid domestic labour of childrearing and to enable
capitalists to profit off of women’s insecurities. Because we are kept distracted
by our bodies, constantly working to manage, maintain and control them, other social justice issues and feminist issues become a lesser priority. All of these things combine to maintain
the status quo. So how does all this relate to the body positivity
movement? Some feminists argue that body positive images have the potential to subvert the conventional
feminine body norms in usual advertisement and photography, because advocates have agency
and control in how they present their images. But if we look at it more closely most advocates
are actually reproducing rather than confronting the conventional structure of the eroticised,
desirable image shaped by patriarchal capitalist society. Though they are given the opportunity
to present themselves outside traditional norms, due to pressure to conform and being
accustomed to viewing themselves through the male gaze, typically they do not. Through
close-up pictures that segment parts of their bodies, and manipulate their bodies to appear
thinner through their poses, body positivity advocates objectify their own bodies and reproduce
conventional ways of positioning the female body that invites the male gaze. Advocates are hypersexualised and pose in seductive
ways, looking at the camera in a way that lures in the viewer. Even when body positive advocates don’t position themselves in ways that invite
the male gaze, most still adopt mainstream beauty trends, like wearing makeup, shaving,
dying hair. Obviously you can be a feminist whilst still engaging in beauty modification
practices. But, there’s a contradiction when you’re trying to subvert a narrative
of conventional standards of beauty, but you’re simultaneously reproducing it. This is not
to blame or shame body positivity advocates, since they are not only at the mercy of patriarchy but also capitalist systems of domination. Even if body positive advocates rejected the male gaze and did not adopt mainstream beauty
trends, body positivity as it stands, relies on the idea that to overcome fatphobia
we need greater representation of fat bodies in the media. Unfortunately this is a dangerously optimistic misunderstanding of how the market works. Capitalism is an economic and political system
where profit is at its centre. Gaining profit relies on making people believe that they
want what is sold. To achieve this, we are constantly bombarded with messages that consumption
and materialism is imperative for achieving happiness and success and with values that
encourage us to pursue certain lifestyles and spend money in ways that benefit corporations.
One way in which this manifests is through the idealised notion of the perfect body.
This is reinforced by a culture where we are saturated with images of normative bodies,
by magazines, social media, advertising, film, and our system of social rewards centred around
looks, transmitting body ideals in a way that is easily internalised within the recesses
of our subconscious such that they create artificial demands in us. Often these body
ideals are made to symbolise achieving happiness, socioeconomic success, and loving relationships.
The imperfect body becomes a sign of an imperfect character whilst the ideal body represents
success, self-control and ultimate perfection. You don’t just purchase the clothes, you
purchase the promise of a life like those shown in the adverts. The gulf between our
bodies are the perceived ideal leads us to fall into a cycle of guilt, dissatisfaction,
body hatred, fear and failure. Our feelings of dissatisfaction can only be
remedied through buying consumer goods. Essentially capitalism manufactures needs in us and sells
us the solution. So these types of reforms aren’t going to work, because if the advertising industry
exists to make us feel good about ourselves, it’s lost its function and purpose. Basically, capitalist
consumeriser culture relies on the construction of fat bodies as unattractive, lazy, and failures.
This all manifests into a multi-billion dollar surgical, beauty and fast fashion industries.
This beauty ideal is not just a western phenomenon, it’s increasingly being exported across
the globe, finding new markets to its sell products to.And a lot of people have argued that body positivity is already working because dvertisers have started to use images of plus sized bodies in advertisements But in reality, body
positivity is just being used as a marketing tool, by capitalists looking to capitalise
off the movement. Capitalists realised that body positivity has the mainstream attention
and that people feeling compelled to share it, would help them get exposure and money. Corporations
exploit the social influence of the advocates by paying them to promote and endorse products
throughout their images, with images and captions constructed to make advocates appear relatable,
and the audience is encouraged to post photos or selfies wearing or using the products,
along with a corresponding hash tag identifying the brand of the product. This restricts the
freedom of what they can post, and changes their messages for the purpose of making money
from the product endorsement. Over time their body positive messages get diluted, often
adopting practices like photoshop and filters they originally rejected, as they focus more
and more on selling products. They begin to make profit by selling audiences to advertisers.
The hashtag body positivity on Instagram has been used by influencers and ads to promote
brands of body-altering and body-modifying products and services, that are supposed to
empower the consumer. Even though I assume body positive advocates have good intentions
when posting these ads, they are reproducing the capitalist ideas of objectifying and commodifying
our bodies, through use of filters contributing to misrepresentation of women’s bodies,
and acceptance of body modification and often even reinforcing the thin-ideal through promotion
of detox teas or weight loss programs. Essentially they are inadvertently reproducing the very system
that is at the root of the exploitation of our bodies in the first place.
In many ways, the use of plus-sized models can be seen as the use of outrage marketing.
Peter Coffins talks about this a lot on his channel, how advertisers intentionally cause
outrage for media attention to get more profit. A good example of this is Tess Holiday appearing
on cover of Cosmipolitan. It’s obvious cosmopolitan didn’t care about the message, they anticipated
that the outrage and attention generated by those that disagree with fat bodies on display
would get them huge media exposure as people shared and talked about it and they were right,
Cosmopolitan hugely profited off of the outrage the image garnered. It’s not a company suddenly
caring about marginalised bodies, it’s a company doing what they can to make a profit. Even when people presenting their bodies online aren’t doing it for advertising or to sell a product due to the surveillance and censorship of social media paltforms, social media platforms depoliticise and manage content that challenges the capitalist structure because it would impact their ability to make a profit. This problem is made worse by the fact that in this system, we are seen to be people with agency
and control over our lives. Our bodies are seen as operating in the market, free to
be improved and modified by our own choices. Body positivity inadvertently reinforces the
same messages of self-improvement and personal responsibility by positioning fat bodies as
agents of their own empowerment. The body positivity movement links consumption to bodily
empowerment and promotes positive self-talk on an individual level such as encouraging
you to love and accept yourself. This renders empowerment a personal choice and encourages
fat bodies to simply rise above fat shame rather than acknowledging and challenging
how oppressive social structures promote fatphobia and constructs fatness as a failure and makes
it almost impossible for some people to have agency to empower themselves.
This idea that empowerment is the individual responsibility of fat people has also helped
transform body positivity into an endeavour of self-improvement. You yourself are the problem
to be fixed. So now you don’t only have the old, existing insecurities, but you are also made to feel
guilt and shame for having any insecurities in the first place. The problem is that by being taught that the problem is purely about our self-perception of can be solved by viewing a few different images, or looking at yourself internally you are ignoring all the systems that actively marginalise
fat bodies. In reality, there are so many systemic factors that need to address
if we are to have any hope of overcoming fat-phobia. We live in a system where conformity to conventional
attractiveness correlates with increased popularity and marriage opportunities, while non-normative
bodies are at much higher risk of socially sanctioned abuse, downward social and economic
mobility, physical and emotional injury, negative stereotyping, wrongful deaths and state violence;
airlines make it difficult for plus sized travellers, fat people are less likely to
be hired, promoted and earn 1.25 dollars less an hour than average size workers, in some
places attempts have been made to restrict fat peoples ability to adopt, birth control
may not work the same for fat bodies because it hasn’t been tested on fat bodies. Life-saving
edical help is often denying to fat bodies, people are often misdiagnosed, and fearmongering
language around fatness made fat bodies out to be diseased and parasitic for society.
In both the US and Europe, obesity rates are highest amongst the most socio-economically
deprived groups in society. The further you move along the hierarchy of body size, the
greater the difference in your lived experiences. But, body positivity doesn’t seem to tackle
systemic issues, or recognise that fatphobia is a class or resource based issue they simply
promote a few more diverse images, products to consume and individualistic empowerment practices. You’re
supposed to talk to yourself differently, even if nothing has changed that would materially
affect how you feel. It completely depoliticises the movement and prevents meaningful change. Unfortunately, this isn’t a problem unique
to body positivity. Whenever any social justice movement becomes popular, it is immediately
hijacked by people who will de-politicise and de-radicalise the movement in order to
make a profit. Capitalists have used the progressive language of feminist empowerment as a tool
to market products such as feminist clothing. Climate change has become corporatized by
capitalists selling eco-friendly produce as the solution to the crisis. #metoo became
about individualised empowerment instead of collective change. The #blacklivesmatter movement
was hijacked to be the #allbodiesmatter movement – removing the structural inequalities that
make some bodies worth more than others. I’m not saying there’s anything
inherently wrong with following body positive instagrammers, and I’m not critiquing the
advocates of the body positivity movement. I’m not critiquing anyone that conforms to any of these beauty ideals. But we can’t see the mainstream body positivity movement with its focus on empowerment, products and representation as the solution.
Fatphobia and unrealistic beauty ideals are rooted in patriarchy and capitalism. We
cannot achieve body and fat acceptance without dismantling these systems.
We need to get back to radical roots of the movement that focus on protecting minorities
from discrimination, challenge the social construction of fatness and our patriarchal,
consumerist, capitalist system. We need a resurgence in radical political fat acceptance
activism. I think a key way to strengthen the movement
would be if body acceptance and fat acceptance activists were to work alongside other oppressed groups
because the systems of oppression that harm fat bodies are the same systems that harm
other groups. For example, dominant culture renders disabled and trans bodies as sitting
low on the hierarchy of desirability, since beauty is structured based on proximity to
whiteness, black women in particular are marginalised by feminine beauty ideals. I also think that
instead of simply being positive about bodies, people should be given the opportunity to
express hurt, fear, bewilderment, grief, panic, at how they have been marginalised. In fact, a lot of these emotions such as rage can be a mobilising force
for change and shouldn’t be policed and ridiculed. It’s ok not to want to performatively
love yourself in the way promoted by body positivity advocates
I am going to link resources in the description box for radical body positivity, fat activism
movements that offer politicised and radical change. I’d also highly recommend checking
out the video Neoliberal Fat-shaming by Amelia Jane.
Thank you for taking the time to listen to me, and thank you to my patreons for making
these videos possible. Please like, share and subscribe. And I want to say a big shoutout to my friend James for editing this video please check out his work, I’ll link it in the description box below

85 thoughts on “Body Positivity is a SCAM”

  1. As someone who spent a decade with a serious eating disorder and trying to conform to the ideal under the male gaze this hits close to home. Really thoughtful video, thank you for making this! ❤️

  2. spot-on analysis, as usual. the commodification of otherwise good initiatives is yet another obscene facet of crapitalism! croutons! 🍞

  3. I realise I should have added content warnings for eating disorders and fatphobia. I apologise I didn't add this to the video!!
    Shout out to CaptainHeywire for editing this video!! Amazing friend and content creator. Check out his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/mrHeywire
    And to Javi for making the thumbnail! Check out his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCetrzdWYUfY6n_FZra-6l4g

  4. Thank you for this.

    It's true that following Black plus-sized models like Saucey West and Lion Hunter helped with self-esteem a while. Yet in the end, I understood that most places STILL weren't making clothes in my size; and that, ultimately, the original goals of the Fat Liberation movement (as created by the Fat, Black, Indigenous, Latinx, and Queer communities, and further championed by the likes of Marilyn Wann, Bill Fabrey, and Linda Bacon), were being obscured.

    Some rando in the street having a better unasked-for opinion of me doesn't mean a whole lot if I can't get adequate health care, if I can't gain appropriate access to transportation, activities, and venues that enrich my life, and if it's always so much harder to attain employment (much less get paid the same as thinner colleagues).

  5. Women are human beings, not clones, generated by media driven algorithms. Variety is the spice of life. As a sis male I love to see the difference in female body shape, colour, fashion and attitude to life, I hope this does not sound sexiest, I just believe women are under so much more pressure than men to conform.

  6. Great video. I still struggle with makeup. Some days I find it a creative process where I get to feel like a fairy and feel confident as hell. Other times, I feel like I'm just trying to even my skin tone and look more "palatable." I gave up makeup for two years but came back to it as a "creative process" I missed, but now I'm not sure if it is healthy. Bah.

  7. I really think you're well deserving of 1000 times the views you're getting with this video. Hoping to help you out in the algorithm with this comment. Thank you for bringing this subject to light in such a thoughtful and compact way.

  8. I wonder if, under capitalism, growing movements are doomed to adopt this marginalization?

    Seeking donations, sponsors, commercial apeals and viability etc. build but also distort.

  9. Am I just a ingorant person but can't some of society's pressure of avoiding being overweight be good? I understand that, if it comes for example commercial interest, it doesn't care about person's wellbeing. But what if it comes from overall wellbeing of society? What amount, if any, is acceptable then? We propably can't seperate them in this situation from oppressive pressure but shouldn't there be some amount that is ok.

    Ps: I had far too many revisions to write this comment. I really don't know if I even now wrote my thoughs properly.

  10. this is not a topic I understand very well and I think, after listening to your video, that what I thought I knew was wrong. thank you for the education.

  11. I'd say that given my issues on the fatter end near 300 pounds, just shy of being able to have my stomach stapled. It is a systemic problem with food access and fat acceptance is a whole different animal due to a large section being HAES, a pseudoscientific ideology that says one can be anorexic or 500 pounds and perfectly healthy

  12. This Is a subject that need to be taught in schools, there is a life beyond fashion and we need to be more aware of it, improving our minds as well as our health and we can't live our lives on a surface level or judge others on purely a surface level.

  13. Great Video! Will you do a video on porn in the future? I think you would make an interesting analysis

  14. There you go, fat bird, thin birds its the capitalistic non normative, normative, transphobic consumer satanic advertisers that are responsible for your body positivity. Don't worry about it ladies ( can I use that phrase). Oh & white people. Evil white people.
    So come on patriarchal consumerism Satanist, leave the oppressed groups alone, print some more money & give it to these poor poor ostracised people.
    Says the bird who's begging cash for spouting drivel. I hope you are vetting donors? Wouldn't want to accept cash from the patriarchy.

  15. I don’t want to hear “all bodies are beautiful”. I want to hear “it’s okay to be ugly, you owe nothing to the world with your appearance.”

  16. I had no idea about the statistics near the end of the video and it is disgusting. So glad this video exists as it shows how shitty Capitalism is.

  17. Kathrin thank you so so much for this incredible work!! it's hard for me to come to terms sometimes with just how much I'm discriminated against for being overweight. I'm hyper aware of it both online and off but I'm far too proud to aknowledge it. It's truly shocking how much more appearances matter for women than substance. I've been an anorexic distance runner once upon a time and I know the immense difference of how people treated me then to how they treat me now or when I've been heavier than I am now. Its shocking really. Even at University and professional settings people took me more seriously when I was fit even though I feel like I've grown a lot more intellectually these past couple of years. It's a real shame how much we are conditioned to placing the entirety of a womans value in how she looks and I really appreciate when people take the time out of the day to acknowledge this. Your analysis of how capitalism has co opted the body positive movement was extremely sharp and spot on. I always look forward to your content and this is exactly why. xx

  18. as a trans man ive always felt that my body wasnt good enough until i looked like those popular hip trans men influencers, who are perfectly fit, muscular, and have square jawlines, this lead be to develop anorexia, and feeling pathetic anytime i ate anything during the day (which is insane because you cant go a day without eating at all and be healthy). This problem exists in trans circles to the point of toxicity, but thanks to leftist friends and creators ive learned that i dont need to cater to societys standards of what a male is, and have been slowly working on healing my psyche and accepting myself

  19. A friend of mine, who has a part-time job as a proofreader, told me that they once had to proofread an essay for a marketing journal about how to 'increase the consumption of plastic surgery'. They found it a very sinister and uncomfortable read, learning about how marketing people can see "not enough people in this country want plastic surgery" as a problem that needs fixing.

    Anyhoo, another great video – keep up the good work!

  20. I'm so happy to have found this channel! As someone who's been struggling with an eating disorder pretty much since childhood, this was an amazing analysis. So much of body positivity is nothing more than benevolent anti-fatness.

  21. I find this video is rather sexist. What about men sticking needles in their butt cheeks to pump themselves full of testosterone so they gain more muscle mass so they can achieve the "ideal" male physique in the eyes of a women. Some men suffer from the exact same problem in my opinion. Only a fool still is thirsty in the abundance of water. Maybe we should start reducing the food supply, but as you stated that wouldn't be in the interest of capitalists, they want you to eat as much as possible in the name of profit. Both obesity and anorexia are proven to be very unhealthy.

  22. Fat acceptance, body positivity, and female objectification are all just colonized by capital as means of selling products. Undoing capitalism undoes most of this this, would it not? Without commodities, we longer need all the ads to sell products. Beauty standards will of course not be toppled right away, but im not sure that's really an achievable or realistic goal. I'm curious how you handle Paglia's critique of "objectification" and the male gaze. because I take a position in between hers and yours. I'd love to discuss!

  23. The real cynical part of it all is companies pushing weight loss pills while also only providing people with food that is artificially pumped with excessive amounts of sugar which is designed to keep people fat. Create a disease and sell the cure. The obesity epidemic is entirely a creation of capitalism, and weight loss pills are a false cure. It's like the Church creating sin and then offering salvation. The solution to the problem would be as simple as not participating in capitalist consumption, and people would be healthier for it, most especially the people who have been made morbidly obese by capitalists poisoning them with sugar.

  24. lol apparently dating preferences and attraction stem from sexism and racism now. So I guess gay men are sexist. You do understand that trying to change what a person is attracted to is the same as "praying the gay away", right? You really think social conditioning has less to do with attraction than 100+ thousand years of evolution? here's a book you ought to read.
    https://www.amazon.com/Evolutionary-Psychology-New-Science-Mind/dp/020501562X

    also, where does the capitalistic part come in? Exercise and eating vegetables don't cost extra money.

  25. also you're comparing a model with a business man or doctor or engineer or whatever. Of course the model is going to draw value from her looks, while the doctor or engineer draws value from his skill or leadership, but you were not honest enough to compare a female doctor or engineer or businesswoman to a male engineer… The engineer or business-worker draws value from their skill, and the model draws value from the aesthetics, regardless of gender role or sex. I know several female engineers and doctors that would trash you for this nonsense.

  26. thank you for the very informative content from China. As gentrification continueing Chinese beauty industry also magnifies dramatically in recent years.

  27. This is really thoughtful and I think hits the nail on the head, as it were. Thank you, comrade, for your continued, excellent work.

  28. Something that strikes me about the body positivity movement is the amount of pain associated with it. Changing your body is often painful, believing you are the source of your problems is painful, and others will demean you for not conforming to conventional body standards. And even the consumerized, shallowest form of body positivity is responded to with hate and disgust from many groups.

    One thing that always floors me is the sheer enormity of suffering that our culture inflicts on its own.

  29. This is high quality content. You explained the issue with the body positivity movement in a simple, yet effective way. And the greatest part about your content is that you made the references available to your viewers. I have been looking for a channel like this for so long. I will definitely use this video to educate my students on the topic. Keep up the good work!

  30. Good take. Glad to see people in the comments section recognizing obesity as a systemic issue more than a personal failure. This is the first time I've witnessed it. I didn't think the video was controversial or new subject matter, but it is something that needs to be discussed more often if for no reason other than visibility. As always, you do quality work💖

  31. Whatever. Being fat is bad, sorry, that is not a patriarchal capitalist lie. Fat people are slow, cumbersome, and generally unhappy. Capitalisim caused the obesity problem and is now using body positivity in tandum with beauty standards to make more money. Fat people should not work to lose weight to look good they should do it to live longer and happier. Peter coffin is a garbage radlib Marxisim Leninism Maoisim is the starting point for a brighter human future.

  32. 16:31 (or some where around that)
    When you spoke of 'empowering the consumer', you reminded me of The Matrix.
    There are tools to get you out on a material level but true liberation (which goes along with outstanding power inside the simulation) only comes from within yourself.
    And even if you want to argue that Neo was not the One initially but became it when he died, what ultimately triggered it was Trinity's emotion, some thing from within that cannot be commodified.

  33. "Plus sized" bra companies that only go up to MAYBE DDD cups. Like bitch, us betitted people need bras too. I hate that even though large breasts are seen as an ideal, in reality it's impossible to find clothes and I rarely feel anything but shame about them.

  34. Great video, the imagery used illustrated the points really well and is a very thorough look into the mechanisms of capitalism that are applicable to so many movements at the moment, it feels like watching the same thing happen over and over to any legitimate political activism. That explains why seeing so-called representation is exhausting, seems to be a bandaid solution at best and flat-out exploitation at worst. The point about companies courting the outrage for publicity as well seems extra sinister- genuinely putting marginalised people at further risk of hate-crime and discrimination (raising their visibility particularly in the cases of trans rep)- for a quick buck..

  35. The slimey thinking guy aka Canadian big brain sent me here. He's great! So are you! Wonderful video.

  36. this video was incredibly helpful and informative, until now i didn't really think very deeply about body positivity and my perception of it was effectively what was recuperated, and not the actual radical ideals
    thank you so much for opening my eyes to that and for making this so good!
    (this is somewhat unrelated, but i feel this video should have had a content/trigger warning! i mean, i know that going into this topic it can be kind of obvious what one might encounter, but you know! in any case, once again, thank you for making this!!!)

  37. Finding new great leftist channels is a good reason for me to make sure I always pay attention to ThoughtSlime. The eyeballs sent me here, and I love the analysis! It's great to see more different viewpoints and issues being discussed, too. As a cis, white, het man (albeit a very neuro-atypical one), these are things I would not have seen or considered on my own, but solving them is essential to liberation, and I can't thank you enough for covering them.

  38. internalizing that you dont have to love your body to be body positive is so important. i honestly dont love my body. it feels kind of impossible to considering all the stuff i have going on. but im starting to learn to do what i want with it rather than what others do and im learning to be more attentive and caring towards myself. its not the blind "i love my body no matter what!" perspective i had when i was 14-15 but body positivity is way more nuanced than that anyways.

  39. Weight training has been helping me hit the body-neutrality I aim for. It's almost inherently an unfeminine act to work to build muscles. Particularly if those muscles are in an area that isn't hyper sexualized. I'm not trying to achieve any specific look, I just want lasting health.

  40. hey i'm here from thoughtslime's shoutout

    as someone that is both fat and LGBTQ+, this reminds me of the attitudes in what some describe as rainbow capitalism. though i think it may be more intertwined given the huge amounts of money in fashion, food, weight loss industries.

  41. as a not woman, issues pertaining to women specifically sometimes go over my head, and im not able to think about things like this with critical accuracy. this was real well put and informative thank u for being rad as hell and putting out some sick content

  42. Yeah! Really love this. Especially, the examples of how to do better at the end. I like when people tell me a monstrous problem AND tell me how to participate in dismantling it. (totally subscribed).

  43. Body posi went full "it's ok to be in a non-normative body if you do everything possibe to look fuckable". There's this constant implication that the non normative aspects of a person's body are like contrast to the "acceptable" aspects. Like they become "worthy" of occupying space because they work so hard to "make amends" for the body they live within

  44. It’s a really insidious cycle, because as a thin person you may believe that fat bodies are just as valuable, regardless of proportion, health, conformity, etc. we are still often afraid to gain weight. We see that people are cruel and discriminatory to fat women, and thus we don’t want to experience that. I’ve been afraid to gain weight ever since I was a kid because my parents were fat and told me that their lives are harder because of it.

  45. Came here from the Eyeball zone. This video is fantastic! You really laid out a compelling case and I’ve subscribed immediately! Wonderful work!

  46. As a guy who's struggled on and off with his weight since High School, this video was eye-opening. What surprised me the most was how much of it was relevant to me and my experiences even though I'm male, and this video was targeted at how women are affected.

    In this one, single regard men have it worse: Fat men do not have any kind of support system. We're told that this is an "individual problem" and forced to try and solve it with rampant capitalism and hard work, without any kind of positive feedback plus-sized women CAN have.

    All in all, I loved the video. It really brings attention to how we have to view the problems of society and to be careful about how we advocate for it. It was a thoughtful video. I will certainly try to be more thoughtful about how I view these things moving forward.

    Thank you. I hope this video gets more attention. =)

  47. As a person that has recently overcome binge eating, I can't hear this enough times. I still struggle with the guilt (and the cravings), but every time I hear a version of "body positivity" like yours, it gets a little bit better. The message needs to be spread. Thank you for the great work you do!

  48. The eyeballs have sent me. Greetings! The Eyeballs send their regards!

    “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business and then eventually degenerates into a racket.” Eric Hoffer, The Temper of our Time

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