KENNETH: Hello everybody.
I’m Kenneth Copeland. I am so excited about our guest
today and those of you that have been here yesterday and the day
before, you know why. Glory to God. Dr. Avery Jackson, welcome
to this broadcast Sr. Chief executive officer, medical
director of Michigan Neurosurgical Institute. I’m
glad I’m not called to be that I wouldn’t be able to pronounce
it. Preacher is easy. DR. JACKSON: Amazing, preacher!
KENNETH: Well ,no, thanks Sr, very much. And our golden
text, 1st Thessalonians 5:23. Very God of peace sanctify
you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit, your whole soul,
the intellectual part of you, and your whole body be preserved
blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is
He that calleth with you who also will do it. He has done it
and that’s what this book is about. This whole book from
cover to cover is about spirit and soul and body. God started
at him that way and it’s. Then he did what he did and brought
the breaking of this system. And over the, over the centuries,
people have studied and saw after God and the least
understood revelation. I believe in the Bible, is the difference
between spirit and soul and body. And you can immediately
place people where they are. Now that’s the biblical order. The
spirit is the never dying you and you have a soul. That proves
it, that verse of scripture and also in the book of Hebrews and
in another place and the spirit man is the person that live
eternally. You know whether you go to heaven or hell, you’re a
spirit being and you will live eternally. I realize from
Brother Kenneth E. Hagins teachings. He was talking about
the rich man and Lazarus. Jesus talked about, he said a certain
man, so I’m totally convinced that as he called Lazarus by his
name. So the people that to whom he was speaking knew both these
men. And he’s using this to teach the difference. And it was
shocking revelation to me when father Abraham, the rich man in
hell, now his body is top side someplace. So he doesn’t have a
brain. The physical brain. But Abraham said son remember, his
memories is intact, because his soul is intact. His memory, the
intellectual part of him is still very much alive. It’s
functioning better than it was when he was in his body, because
it’s working 100% now. He remembers every little thing
that happened to him, all of his existence. And he’s going to
have to remember that trash forever and ever and ever and
ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and
ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Now his nature is
still intact. He said, have Lazarus. He still wanted to boss
Lazarus around. And he’s trying to tell Abraham what to do! Now
Isn’t that it amazing that he knew who Abraham was? So my
point being, let’s deal with this thing now. Let’s do the
things that will protect and it enhanced this brain and this
body because the brain. The brain is the tool of the mind
and wow I better do whatever it takes to keep this thing
running. Particularly if I’m going to live out my full days
on this earth, which in my case would be 120 years and I have
made the choice and I have to continue to keep that choice in
place to do whatever it takes. Not like I said the day before
yesterday, spirit, soul and body is the biblical order. You’ll
hear people say body, mind, and spirit so you know, right there.
It’s not, a scripture revelation. But we’re talking
today about body first and it’s effect on the mind because it’s
so seriously. So take us back into this, this train of
exercise and how we can, how we can develop it in our lives.
Because I learned this even as a young man, that by being an
athlete and so forth, I was extremely competitive. And I’d
get back to exercise and I just started trying to take up where
I was before and it would hurt me and I’m ain’t doing that
anymore. I’m too busy anyway. And so, but it has reversed my
life style and it used to, I was more awake and alert in the
middle of the night and it was that way from the time I was a
little boy, I didn’t sleep much. Well, that caused a lot of
problems too. And, but over the years, the Lord helped me and
reversed that. And now because of my hour to an hour and a half
or so praying, first of all for all men, kings and all who are
in authority, so forth and then my partners praise God all over
the world. And so in order to take care of business, man, I
mean, like this morning I was, I was in prayer, a little bit
before six. So I had to get up, you know, quarter five happy to
do it and get up and get in that exercise. Work out an hour and
man. I’m telling you this is a miracle in my life and it’s
changing things and you’re supposed to be talking and not
me. DR. JACKSON: It’s just wonderful to hear your talk
because you’re so excited about. KENNETH: I am. I’m extremely
excited. DR. JACKSON: And so that’s proof. KENNETH: I’m
excited about it for the body of Christ because we have not had
now Dr Colbert and men like that. Oh yeah. We’ve had
outstanding information. But this is coming from a
neurosurgeon. And so we get, it’s one thing to talk to a guy
that fixes flats in a service station. And to talk to a man
that builds engines. I want to know about the engine. I can fix
a flat. I need to get inside that engine. I want to know
what’s going on in there. DR. JACKSON: You know, Brother
Copeland, you mentioned about the exercise and the choices
that you made and also that your, what we call the Circadian
Rhythm, which is your sleep wake cycles and patterns. You’ll find
that oftentimes when people, have work hours and God bless
them, but you know, when they’re, when they’re topsy
turvy where you’re up all night and yet sleep during the day,
that can create some challenges. It can create, you have to
really work on stabilizing your mood, your physical health. It’s
harder to exercise and there’s a weight that you feel on your
spirit because of all of this flesh that we’re wrapped in and
it’s kinda holding us down and to be free, with that spirit to
be able to really focus on God’s word. You can’t focus inward.
And so with the physical you mentioned, going from the
physical to the soul to the spirit, if we have this physical
issues, that tiredness and the fatigue, it’s going to weigh us
down and our soul mind will and emotion, then it’s going to
have, give attention to the physical and being tired. And
that’s going to take away that time that we need with the Lord
and prayer and so forth as he tells us to do x, y, and Z.
KENNETH: Of course absorbing your life. And then you’re down
all the time. I see it. DR. JACKSON: And so the dopamine is
a classic example. So we talked about that. Your spirit, you
have a mind will and emotion. You live in a physical body.
Well, the physical body side includes your brain because your
brain is separate than your mind. Your brain is the physical
processor of all the information that comes through your five
senses. It gets wrapped up. There’s a little memory loop
there that starts a process and then it slips into your mind,
which is going to stay with you for eternity. And then, so the
issue there is, is that if you’re a while that processor is
working, if it’s not feed right, if it’s not getting water, if
it’s not getting sleep or exercise, then the way that you
process information is not going to be as effective as what you
need to get it to the memory. And to also help to supercharge
your soul as we’re talking about going from body to soul to, to
spirit. And so that’s so important. And you also
mentioned praying in the heavenly language and tongues.
But that’s an act of your will because especially if you’re a ,
I don’t want to get up and you know, and I don’t, I’m not sure
if I completely a hundred percent believe what, you know,
what God’s word says about what it will do for me if I’m not
sure if I have those doubts because of my soul. Maybe
because of scenarios in the past, people I’ve talked to,
what have you, but in doubt in that soul part will effect my
spirit because then I’m not praying in my heavenly language
and that loses, I lose my focus and then I’m not filled up or
being refilled with the spirit. My measure of the spirit is I’m
supposed to now, if I’m not praying to him language, then
I’m not going to be listening when the Holy Spirit says you
need to exercise to get that body in shape and that’s going
to have a cyclical pattern because all three are so are
interwoven. One of the things that we know is if I’m in good
shape, if my heart, my physical blood pump is working well, and
let’s say that yours or my, the body of Christ around me isn’t,
there was a study looking at what happens when we come
together corporately. And when you look at, and we come
together corporately, there’s a study that says that when we
have relationship, which takes effort, but when we have
relationship, our hearts, the heartbeats literally sink up. So
how? KENNETH: Now that you’re approaching quantum physics
here, now I’m liking this. Whoa. Glory to God DR. JACKSON: Sinks
up. So can I be KENNETH: So that should be the absolute truth
with you and your spouse? DR. JACKSON: Yes, sir. KENNETH: All
the time. And strive, can mesh that up. Whoa. I can see that in
this strive messes up your brain. DR. JACKSON: Yep. And so
that’s an important piece. So the other piece is the way that
God made us people say, well, does God love me? KENNETH: Let
me ask you something here Dr. Jackson. DR. JACKSON: Yeah.
KENNETH: When our physical hearts begin to agree, I can
see, the Scientific Law of synergy, if you put two equal
forces together, you get the force of three. Now spiritual
synergy. It’s one put a thousand flight two puts 10,000. Any two
of you on earth shall agree as touching anything that they
shall ask, it shall be done. So we need to be in agreement in
our love walk. So sinked, Oh man, I’ve just see a ministry
staff. There must not be any strife. There must not be.
Strife is so dangerous. It’s to the Kingdom of God. What
serpents and snakes are to the natural world is there. It is so
dangerous. So I can see this. Well, you talk, I’m kind of, DR.
JACKSON: Yeah. And so sinking, is something that happens when
we’re in agreement and the heart literally sinks and when they
come together that can help with certain conditions. So it’s
really interesting because you pour this love out to the people
around you, but you can’t do that if you’re in physical pain.
You can’t do that. If you have emotional trauma that turns you
inward and there’s an emotional pain that you have, it’s a
challenge to be able to connect and have that relationship that
we’re supposed to have physically. KENNETH: Praise God!
DR. JACKSON: And so even thinking about the joy that you
have of being with someone that you love, that increases your
dopamine, your brain chemicals or feel good chemicals and
reinforces memories that you’ve had about. And with that person
that you create it. So your brain’s got, you know, the
memories are going, cause you pull those memories back and
then you feel it because of the chemicals go throughout your
body and you feel good. You feel revived because you remember the
last time you were together, you laugh and you had a good time
and now you’re more likely to exercise because you’re, you
know, your moods different. You’re not depressed. KENNETH: I
can see that. And then on the other hand, then the more you
exercise more, it increases the other side of the equation. DR.
JACKSON: Yes, sir. KENNETH: Praise God! DR. JACKSON: Yes
sir. KENNETH: Thank you Lord. Thank you Lord. Now go ahead
with the, I got, so we particularly, you’re talking
about your lifestyle and what you have to do and the
commitment that you have made. And I can see that commitment
now because exercises is a part of your tools. You have to do
this. DR. JACKSON: Yes sir. And my wife is very kind as I
mentioned, because we don’t have a lot of time. And so my days
can run long, I’ll be in the operating room operating either
in a brain surgery case or a spine case. And that case can be
anywhere from one hour. We’ve had a 16 hour, even 24 hour,
hour long cases. So you come out of the surgery and you get home
and you have to find a place to exercise your spirit, your soul
and your body. And so immediately get home. And when
I’m talking to my wife, I’ll perform jumping jacks. So the
Holy Spirit said, well, you know, here’s some things that
you can do. Because I said, well, I’m running out of time. I
don’t have much time. And he said, there’s no excuse. know
you got to still do, right. Take care of your health. You’ve got
to take care of all three parts, so anyway, jumping jacks while
we’re talking. KENNETH: Pardon me for interrupting you, but I
have to get back to this. Yeah, because I can see it. We’re my
life in ministry is concerned. Exercise is to you and the
longevity of your practice and the health of other human
beings. what a rifle is to a soldier. DR. JACKSON: Yes, sir.
KENNETH: Yeah, you cannot. You must not, you can’t put up with
a nasty, filthy weapon. It’ll get you killed. And I saw it
just flashed. I’d never seen that before. It’s a tool to your
trade. You have to do it. DR. JACKSON: And you know, just to
piggyback off of exactly what you said, when I’m in surgery,
when I’m sinked up the Holy Spirit, because when I operate,
I listen to the Holy Spirit and I follow His peace and then I do
the right things. And I don’t hurt anybody. But if I’m not
sinked up because I’m not exercising and my attitude’s bad
because I’m tired. I’m not listening to Holy Spirit then
somebody gets hurt in surgery. KENNETH: Oh Man. Oh Man. Yeah, I
can see that. Praise! Father, thank you for that. Oh my glory.
Jesus. Now continue with this and how that, Well you just be
lead by the Lord and take us deeper into this. DR. JACKSON:
You know going back to the children if I could, because
that’s such an important subject is that we form our brains at
different stages of development from the time we’re, we’re
younger and our brain doesn’t fully form until the age of 25
or 26. And so when we are introduced to these emotional
issues that has an effect and informs how we see the world and
has an effect on our bodies and has an effect on our emotional
state. So you have situations where what is supposed to be
right or supposed to be wrong is flipped. And so now you’re
looking at what is wrong and you say it’s right. And I believe
it’s because of one of the things could be what happened
back then and your brain and your emotions and that has huge
implications on your physical body. KENNETH: The way that
seems right to a man. But it’s the way of the death. DR.
JACKSON: Yes sir. And in particular as a physician, you
know, I care for all people. It doesn’t matter what sex you are
raised, none of that matters to me. It’s about how can I be of
help to you. There are certain populations of people that have
a higher rate or risk of depression and physical
challenges. And that is when you, when you talk about gender
issues, and it’s an important piece because, and I think
people are focused on the wrong thing. They’re focused on the
physical side and decisions made, but they’re
missing the spiritual side and they’re missing the soulcycle
side. And my heart goes out to people when they have an
increased risk of infection, increased depression in those
populations. And it ought not be. It ought not be. And again,
I go back to that time when something happened, an abuse or
a misinterpretation of what happened. And then how that
informs certain decisions. And then you get to a situation now
where you say physical anatomy and this and well that’s not,
it’s all wrong. This is what’s right. And it doesn’t make any
sense. So for me as a surgeon, I study anatomy. I know the
physiology. So to tell me that the anatomy and physiology is
different than what, than how God created it. And its function
is flabbergasting to me and it bothers me when that happens and
it affects people and it affects them in all three areas. And so
I think that’s kind of a hidden piece cause we are focused on
one third, which is the physical. But we’re missing some
of the real underlying techniques as far as soul and
also spirit. KENNETH: Missing the roots? DR. JACKSON: The
roots. Yes sir. KENNETH: Praise God! Now, how do you combine
your exercise, your physical exercise, How do you combine
that, with praying in the spirit? Your spiritual exercise.
DR. JACKSON: Yes sir. So, at being word of faith, Bishop
Keith Butler and Pastor Debra, they’re just amazing teachers
and they love the Lord. And they let the Holy Spirit move
throughout service as well as the teaching. So that’s kind of
interesting because their posture is the teaching as well
as praying in the having language and letting the Lord
move at the same time. Right? So for me, isn’t it? For me it’s no
different. So while I’m academic in my exercise, my research and
how I do what I do in my brain, the Holy Spirit is always
welcomed and He’s always a part of that. So the Holy Spirit
said, when you exercise dance in the spirit. KENNETH: Yeah, yeah.
Right. DR. JACKSON: And now you get your exercise. So we know
that if there’s with heart, with the heart issues, cardiac
issues, that if you have a sedentary professional
lifestyle, 6 to 8 hours of either sitting or standing, your
risk of having a heart attack or stroke is pretty high. And those
are the big killers here in the United States. KENNETH: And
we’re out of time. DR. JACKSON: We’re, are out time! ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed
today’s teaching from Kenneth Copeland Ministries, and
remember Jesus is Lord.

16 thoughts on “How Your Body and Soul Affect Your Spirit”

  1. The mind controls the brain and the brain controls the body!! Holistic health is spirit (that is the inner core part of our essence and being), we posses a soul (mind, will and emotions) and we live in a body. I am spirit man having a human experience and not that other way around! Amen!

  2. We are spirit beings and our spirit should be ruling the natural in order to experience that which the Lord Jesus said in Him we live and move and have our being.

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